from dental faugh! to FLOSS
  • place: Suomenlinna, Finland

19::May::2004 18:30 → permalink

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Heading to the dentist this morning after 36 hours of pain. Disgusted with my previous two dentists in the US who didn’t listen to my suggestions that there were problems with a crown that was made by one of them.

Anna, the dentist here in Helsinki listened and agreed with my diagnosis, examined the problem and corrected it (with the hope that the symptom had not developed to the point to require a root canal after her intervention).

At any rate, she reduced the lateral occlusion to such a degree that it should slowly reduce the irritation caused to the root, crossed fingers, got to get some ibuprophen to deal with the dull pain, though. Back home on the now-crowded ferry. School children by the hundreds on outings to the island, met by actors dressed in period costumes: “history-come-alive!”

Now, on to the FLOSS meeting online at V2 in Netherlands, remotely.

Geert (introducing): Rishab Ayer Gosh — intro to code culture and economics — code as society; collaborative production is not a new concept generally but economics of collaborative production is new; is there a difference between an idea and the embodied ‘result’ of the idea’s implementation? how does the ultimate use affect the process of the tool creation. If all remains in the space of ideas (i.e. no real outcome, is it necessary to be concerned about the economic structure? Raytheon. parity with .com world? something more? just free, just open? design?

My notes degenerate into noize.

There were few real opportunities for interaction from the audience, and less so for the few who attended on IRC / streaming. The one question I did manage to address to Rishab had a surprising answer:

13:06: jhopkins: talking about code is talking in a fully enclosed symbolic system of representation — what is the relationship between the real (physical!) world and the world of intellectual activity and ideas — where does the interface occur?
13:06: jhopkins: not sure if that is clear, but…
13:06: jhopkins: same as economics as being an abstracted symbolic system representing the ‘real’ physical world…
13:07: jhopkins: we live in both, and both are intertwined, but what are the characteristics of that intertwining…
13:07: FLOSSer: in terms of actual time+activity?
13:07: jhopkins: yeah, actual lived experience…
13:08: jhopkins: or lived be-ing
13:08: jhopkins: the economics presented here seems a bit isolated from the real…

Rishab basically said there was no difference between the two — between the symbolic representation and the thing itself. Same issue I run up against in other situations (the empyre list most often) where this is a basal unquestioned/unconsidered assumption. Why is this such a dogmatic position?

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